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Yes USMLE scores are important - but not everything for a Medical Residency in USA! To be Pre-Informed is to be In Form :-) Sharing Wisdom learned through application experience and mistakes - especially for IMGs / FMGs!

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Saturday, August 8, 2009

Should U be ECFMG certified by September 1st?

I had already posted a reply to this as a comment, but then as I got some more other forum / email queries about this, it's time to make it into a mainstream post.

While ECFMG certification by Sept. 1st is ideal, there is no need to panic if you aren't. Majority of the programs do not require IMGs to have ECFMG certification to be selected for interviews.

You will find the following ECFMG deadline types:

1. Majority programs need ECFMG certification by the time of submitting their ROL (around mid-february of the Match year), which makes sense for them to be on the safer side, otherwise if they match a candidate who does not get certified in time later would mean a empty position. Note that NRMP requires that you complete the exam requirements for certification (Step1, Step 2 CK + CS) before Rank order list submission. And this is the deadline I urge all visa-needing IMGs to keep in mind and honor (but remember - earlier the better)

2. A few need ECFMG certification by the time of their own technical "application deadline" - which is NOT Sept 1, but varies anywhere from December 1st to January 1stidualized. The rush to apply by Sept 1st is to capture early interview slots, and its only natural that first-come-first-serve will work and candidates with complete applications will get the interview calls.

3. While others simply mention that they need ECFMG certification before residency start date - disregard this one coz' NRMP requires that your Step1, Step 2 CK + CS scores are reported BEFORE the Rank order submission deadline.

Lets check out some programs and the different types of ECFMG certification deadlines:

1. Marshfield clinic IM program:
"You do not need to have an ECFMG Certificate to apply. Application Deadline is January 1st, however, as we tend to fill interview openings early I would suggest you have your application submitted by November 1st if not earlier"

2. Duke Family Medicine Prog:
"Must be ECFMG certificated no later than the start date of the program"

3. Morehouse Program:
"ECFMG Certification must be final prior to [or on] Match Day"

4. St. Elizabeth IM program:
"You will not need to have ECFMG certification when applying, but will need it to be qualified for the match."

5. Univ of Kentucky IM Prog:
"We do not have minimum USMLE score requirements, but you must be ECFMG certified by June 30 of the year you are wishing to start residency."

6. McKeesport Family Medicine:
"Must be ECFMG Certified by time of match"

7. Emory Psychiatry
"IMGs applying to our program must be ECFMG certified by the beginning of residency, so ECFMG certification requirements should be in process."

8. Rochester PM&R Residency Program:

"IMGs must have successfully completed USMLE Step 2, and must be ECFMG certified by February 1st."

There are certainly a few programs that will need you to be ECFMG certified by the time you apply, but those too do not mean September 1st.

No ! I am not saying you can slack off on taking your steps ;-) ECFMG certification has 4 components = Passing Step 1, Step 2 CK, Step 2 CS & medical school diploma verification. You still need to try passing Step1, Step 2 CK and ideally Step 2 CS before you apply on Sept 1st for your application to be competitive! So what this post primary tells you is don't sweat too hard if your medical school diploma vertification is not done by the time you apply, but that you surely try to have it before Rank order List submission deadline (Around mid-feb of the Match year)


So ! Moral of this post:

1. Be on the ideal side ! If you still have the luxury of time depending on the match year you are targeting, get aggressive and get your ECFMG certification done by Sept. 1st.

2.
If you cannot make it by Sept 1st, do not wait till certification to apply - many programs will still process your application. But it might be worth saving your money to call up programs in advance to find out if they will process your application based on the number of steps you have completed.

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Comments on "Should U be ECFMG certified by September 1st?"

 

Blogger guevera said ... (August 8, 2009 12:24 PM) : 

thanks digitaldoc for this post.

it was very panicking for me not to get certification by sep 1, coz i finished my grad in jan 2009. but i am so relieved after reading your post..

if u can write one post on img's and neurology, it will be great..

god bless u

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (August 8, 2009 10:44 PM) : 

Hi Digidoc,
Thanks a lot!u posted this at the right time.I need to ask you that i might get certified by mid sept,so should i wait till that or can i apply as soon as i get my score[maybe by 1 sept]?Please suggest as i have got opinions of both types,which one would be better.

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (August 8, 2009 11:17 PM) : 

thanks 4 the post , helped a lot in releving my stress

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (August 9, 2009 4:53 AM) : 

Apply as early as you can

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (August 9, 2009 5:19 AM) : 

thanks a lot digi doc , as always ur input was very timely. my medical degree verification is taking unusually long time and i was worried i may be certified only by mid september ,

thanks for clarifying wat they mean when they request ecfmg certification by applicaton time, for such programs do u suggest we should apply only after getting ecfmg certification or apply on sep 1st and then update the ecfmg status,

 

Anonymous Anonymous said ... (August 9, 2009 5:54 AM) : 

Although as he siad its not mandatory. But its ideal to have it. Its like an unsaid rule but if you have ECFMG certificate and step 3 scores even, it sets you aside as an applicant who is ready to be taken in than the ones who do not as they also want people who can start on time as these factos go give program directors a sense of relief esp in some cases where FMGs and their visa issues are involved. My PD looks for this factors.

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (August 9, 2009 6:18 AM) : 

Yup and I too definitely urge all applicants to complete all steps before applying, but most cannot since they unfortunately only begin planning too late.

 

Blogger Prateek Srinet said ... (August 9, 2009 8:15 AM) : 

Hi DigiDoc,

Well its good that you pointed this issue but as a matter of fact when take into consideration surgery residency programs, most of them require you to be ECFMG certified even before applying. They even say that your applications wont be considered for interviews if you are not certified.

Specially being a fresh graduate on June 2009, its hard to get my degree verification in time. So I will be calling each program individually to know whether I should apply or not.

One more query.. what if we apply without certification, wil our ECFMG status report gets updated automatically just like USMLE transcript or do we have to inform each program, individually.

Just wanted to throw some light that situation is different when considered for Surgery Programs.. another road stop in the path of surgery aspirants..

Thanks a lot.

 

Blogger Hitesh Batra said ... (August 9, 2009 9:14 AM) : 

Some may find this encouraging - I took Step 2 CK on Sep 10th '08, applied on Sep 17th with just my step 1 score and Step 2 CS passed, got my CK score on Oct 8th, Certified on Nov 20th. I got 22 interview calls (10 University Progs) and matched to a good university programs. No, I did not have any research or post grad experience. Bottomline: Timing of your application is only a small factor, what matters more is the overall application (I've known people who applied in Dec and matched).
Disclaimer: The above post is not intended to encourage procrastination.

To Digitaldoc: I had the impression that one has to be ECFMG certified by RoL submission deadline to be able to participate in the match. This is a ECFMG/NRMP requirement rather than that of the programs. Please correct me if I am wrong (I am too lazy to check it out myself)

 

Anonymous DCL said ... (August 9, 2009 10:22 AM) : 

It was a great post, Digi Doc. MY doubt also got solved because I am also not going to have the ECFMG certificate on sept. 1st.
Like somebody above said, can you please write something about IMGs and Neurology.
Thank you,

 

Anonymous Dhaval S said ... (August 9, 2009 8:54 PM) : 

thank digital doc for all the help keep up the good work..!!!

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (August 10, 2009 4:32 AM) : 

Thank you to everybody for their excellent views and comments. To sum up, try to be on the ideal side, i.e. try to have your ECFMG certification on time.

To Dr. Batra: NRMP needs that the exam requirements for ECFMG certification be completed before the Rank order list deadline. medical school verfication can technically occur later, but yes, everyone should to get ECFMG certified much before the ROL submission deadline

 

Blogger G Arun said ... (August 20, 2009 3:25 PM) : 

Hi Digidoc. Iam done with my step 1 and CS, but my step 2 ck is still pending. I will write in sep mid.

So do i apply right after my step 2ck or wait for my scores to and then apply.
Kindly please reply, iam very tensed ! Thanks in advance

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (August 20, 2009 7:22 PM) : 

You could call up programs and see if they are ok to review your application with Step1+CS and apply to those that do and the rest when you get your scores. Some people apply on 1st Sept anyways and then update the programs via email when their remaining scores become available - ECFMG will do that too anyways. I personally would use the second approach, but you should note that late score does put up at a disadvantage with programs that offer early prematches

 

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