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Yes USMLE scores are important - but not everything for a Medical Residency in USA! To be Pre-Informed is to be In Form :-) Sharing Wisdom learned through application experience and mistakes - especially for IMGs / FMGs!

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Tuesday, September 11, 2007

HOW IMPORTANT ARE OBSERVERSHIPS, EXTERNSHIPS AND ELECTIVES FOR RESIDENCY ?

What can make the answer to this question more transparent than looking up at the application eligibility criteria that some residency programs have put up on their websites ? :-)

Let's look at some quick samples :

1. Eastern Virginia Medical School Family practice Residency program:

"To be competitive, an applicant should have a CV that shows real interest in family practice or primary care medicine. U.S. experience should include family practice experience, or at least a combination of U.S. experiences that together define family practice (such as several months each of internal medicine, pediatrics, and OB/GYN)."

The Internal Medicine Residency Program at the same place says:

"Must have completed at least 12 months hands-on clinical experience within the United States"


2. Georgetown University hospital Psychiatry Residency Program:


"We are generally looking for applicants who have
graduated from medical school within the past ten years, and who have approximately two years of U.S. clinical experience (either a third and fourth year of American Medical School or approximately two years of U.S. clinical experience for International Medical Graduates)."


3. Griffin Hospital Internal Medicine Residency Program:

"1 year US clinical experience is preferred but not mandatory"
- in such cases, given the flood of IMGs, it's safe to assume that though Clinical Experience is not technically needed, functionally it is !


4. University of Kentucky Anesthesiology Residency Program


"For International Medical Graduates, we also require a current ECFMG certificate and recommend at least 3 months of clinical experience that included patient care (not Observership) in the US, Canada, or UK; or at least 2 years anesthesia experience in other foreign countries.

5. Some Programs may even want you to be already worked as a resident in the USA to be eligible. For example, here's what the Fort Collins Family Medicine Residency Program says:

"Unless you have done two years or more of post-graduate medical training in the United States, you are not qualified for consideration for a residency position at the Fort Collins Family Medicine Residency Program"




Enough evidence ? : Some guys often like to call US-Clinical Experience as USMLE Step 4 ;-) . This should hardly be surprising - residency is like a true job with pay and benefits and like any other job (engineering, management, film-making) prior experience is attractive to the prospective employers (program directors).

Note: US Clinical Experience has gained lotsa importance recently in Family medicine ! Most Family Practice Residency Programs have become more stringent in evaluating a candidates sincerity and fidelity to Family practice, since many International Medical Graduates (AMGs too) unfortunately drop the specialty in one-two years and attempt to switch to Internal medicine, psychiatry, pediatrics, etc. Clinical Experience in primary care is evidence of your commitment and sincerity and hence highly valued by program directors to cut-down on specialty shifts by IMGs.

Some pertinent points for IMGs:


a. As discussed elsewhere too, Clinical hands-on experience counts more than observerships (as evident on example 4 above, though having an observership is better that nothing at all since it gives you a US - LOR

b. Have a look again at the 4th example above - Experiences outside the US do not go waste, if they are a in a western country setup like Canada and the UK - so if you are around, its good to have something going on clinically in these places too rather than nothing - the idea is to have minimum 'time-gaps' on your resume.

c. The more competitive a Residency is - the more important experience in that clinical or non-clinical specialty becomes

d. If you have to make a choice between clinical experience opportunity at one place and clinical research at the other, it may make more sense to choose the clinical experience option, because during your clinical rotations, you can always find opportunities to hook up with some faculty in the university / hospital to help him/her on research and get research too on your resume.

e. Remember that places that say "We do not require US Clinical Experience" also see thousands of applications with good-score + USCE combination and will naturally prefer such applications - hence do not go light on the need for clinical experience, try your best to get it. Even getting some in UK and Canada might be better than having nothing at all, unless you are already pursuing a post-graduate specialty training in your home country.

f. Observing a private practitioner is on my least advisable list, yet to make the most of it - Read this

g. A Current residency itself is great US-clinical experience ! That's why they Residents switching specialties are attractive candidates to other residency programs. Since the Last


Q. How long should the Clinical Experience (Observerships, Externships, Electives) be ?

A. The longer the better - Up to to 3 Months to 6 Months is great and even more the better. Of course, a few programs do require a year - but then, just like we can't keep all people around us happy at the same time, you cannot satisfy the criteria for every single residency program on the American soil ;-). All we can do is maximize within our means.

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Comments on "HOW IMPORTANT ARE OBSERVERSHIPS, EXTERNSHIPS AND ELECTIVES FOR RESIDENCY ?"

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (September 11, 2007 7:40 PM) : 

Anonymous said ... (January 02, 2007 7:35 PM) :

i agree with u that usce is very important, what if u have very gud scores say 95+ scores in both the steps , am i assured of getting into residency,


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (January 02, 2007 8:57 PM) :

Nothing is ever assured - year 2005 had a number of 95-plus guys who did not match despite interviews, who then indulged into clinical experiences the next year and then had prematch offers this year...but then i dont have information on where and how many programs they applied - obviously the more programs you apply, the more chances for interviews..


Anonymous said ... (January 04, 2007 1:14 PM) :

doc how about some one who has done residency in i.m in home country(asia),is it considered clinical experience?though i did not complete it.is incomplete residency taken into account as clinical exp?


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (January 04, 2007 4:03 PM) :

Any recent clinical experience at a acdemic facility is looked upon favourably and you will not be considered as an "Old IMG" in most places..


Anonymous said ... (January 07, 2007 11:39 AM) :

hi digital doc,
Once I am ECFMG certified and before residency, if someone is ready to sponsor me, can i work under that physician (as a house officer or whatever..)and get hand on USCE?


vinil said ... (April 25, 2007 7:09 PM) :

hi digidoc,
i really have to thank u for keeeping sucha great site which is v much useful for the budders..i got a small question for u..i m giving my step 2 on aug 20th..i m already wit my cs..so wat u wud advice me to take..step 3 or observership..as i got time to take any one..so plz guide me..


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (April 25, 2007 8:56 PM) :

Answer 1: You cannot work in a formal house-officer (resident) position - externship would be fine if the sponsor agrees

Answer 2: US Clinical experience is the new step 3 for IMGs :-) - clinical experience to improve ur resume before applying is advisable


Anonymous said ... (May 02, 2007 7:46 PM) :

Hi Digitaldoc... I have one query..I am trying for 2008 match..I am interested in Medicine, neurology and paedia..Rt now I am doin observership in IM and will likely get externship in psychiatry. But the attending doc said I should go for it only if I am interested in psychiatry..PLZ give your valuable suggestion what should I do.. Thanx


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (May 02, 2007 8:52 PM) :

I would try eslewhere in my fields of interest, keep the psychiatry externship as a backup - if something else works out, give up the psych one, if not then take it up rather than having a gap on the resume

even clinical research in a big place for medicine will help you lots if you are not sure about a psych externship


harshal said ... (May 03, 2007 6:56 PM) :

Hey Digitaldoc!!!!I really appreciate ur helping..Thanx a lot..


orange81 said ... (June 23, 2007 7:44 AM) :

I am on visitors visa..did an observership in u.s.a under a pvt clinician for 6 months but worked to the capacity of an extern n he is ready to write that for me in my LOR,so can it b counted as externship-would it b ok if i write it in my application...


Anonymous said ... (June 23, 2007 5:49 PM) :

Hey Digitaldoc, i really have to appreciate u for keeeping sucha great site which is v much useful for the img's..i ve one query.. i am trying fr 2008 residency, ve done with my step 1 got 95,and writing cs on july 2nd, and i ll be writing stp2 in august and or september...and now i got a chance to do an observership in neurology for just 15 days..am aiming for internal medicne, so will that be helpful for my aplication, that is do i need to concentrate only on step2 or can i do that observership and write step 2 in september,will it be too late.. and another thing is that is neurology helpful for my internal medicine..
sorry to write such a big quest, but i ll be thankful to u if u reply,...


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (June 26, 2007 10:56 PM) :

To Orange81: Yes, if the private physician agrees to it, you may write so.


Answer 2: Thats a good score - congrats :-). Do not compromise your step 2 CK score - plays a big role in Internal medicine...Yes an observerships in neuro will help and you can mention how it helped you in your Personal Statement for IM too. But, see to it that you do not compromise Step 2 CK scores - practice with the long questions in less time is pretty important.


Anonymous said ... (July 03, 2007 2:24 PM) :

hi digi doc,your blog is extremely helpful and informative...i am staying in canada and wil be done wid my steps by 31 july.aftr that i have secured an observership here in canada with a private practitioner and another wid a paediatrician in a hospital here..i have 2 questions...
1.will doing 2 months of these observerships that is until oct be of any gd to my application
2.since i would be geting the canadian lors at the and of this will i be still send it to eras even after i have mailed the other lors before


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (July 03, 2007 6:10 PM) :

Hi - thanks for visiting. yes, you may still send your LORs to ERAS and once it is available for download, you should also notify the program directors by email/phone that a new LOR is available. And yet, it will be on your application - coz you will be mentioning the observership on your application when you apply in september (you can use a future date)

g/l


Anonymous said ... (July 30, 2007 1:40 PM) :

Digitaldoc, great website! I have a question. Is working as a nurse considered clinical experience?


Anonymous said ... (July 30, 2007 7:48 PM) :

hello digitaldoc,
could u plz tell me if after doin an observership in the state of California can i apply to the residency programs in all the other states. also will this experience be counted as USCE.


Digitaldoc, MD said ... (July 30, 2007 9:25 PM) :

Answer 1: Some programs directors may not look at nursing experience in good light - but hey thats great experience ! coz' literally speaking nurses here do more actual physical clinical work that the physicians do. I know about a russian IMG who came as a nurse to the US, scored great on the USMLE, was well known in the program where he worked and eventually got into that University program :-)

Answer 2: Yea - hands-on US clinical experience will help u all over the US - of course many say the local state will look upon that more favorably that others..but thats more true for working at a private physician or hospital ..an experience at a good university will be held in positive light all over US

 

OpenID efenem said ... (December 28, 2007 12:43 PM) : 

Hi,

I really thank you for your such excellent work.

Is externship/observership as important for IM applicants than of General Surgery ones?

I heard that foreign externships do not count and not as good as the US ones. I have a lot of the former and none of the latter. Am I doomed?

 

Blogger Digitaldoc, MD said ... (December 29, 2007 12:03 PM) : 

US Clinical experiences will help and is important for any specialty. Since there are many more IMG applicants for Internal medicine than general surgery, hence observerships / externships become more important there as application screeners.

Experiences from other developed countries count too (UK, Canada, Australia) - have covered that here

 

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